# Hello, I still do not understand how Monty is the fifth letter when you start counting at zero?

#1

HI, my name is Beverly, nice to meet everyone.
say, Hello, I still do not understand how Monty is the fifth letter when you start counting at zero?

#2

Hi @bicababe ,

The indexes of the characters in a string and the items in a list start at `0`. But we still refer to the character with an index of `0` as the first character, and the character with an index of `4` as the fifth character.

#3

Thank you, you made it very clear, I do not know why I get stuck on this, but again, thank you, thank you thank you.
Just to make sure I have it correct. The first character is an index of 0, however, a count of 1. so M is indexed at 0 but counted at 1, and since MONTY has five letters, its fifth count is Y?

#4

Hi, @bicababe,

Regardless of how we number the indexes of the characters in a string, the houses on a block, or any other type of object that occurs in a sequence, there is a first item, a second item, a third item, and so on, assuming in this current sentence that there are at least three items. If the house numbers on a block begin at `5`, the house with the number `5` on its mailbox is nevertheless the first house on the block. The one with number `6`, if it exists, is likely the second one on the block. There is no contradiction between a character's being the fifth one in a string, while it has an index of `4`.

 Character Index Ordinal Position M 0 first O 1 second N 2 third T 3 fourth Y 4 fifth

#5

applypye you have just become the apple of my eyes, which were ready to pop out of my brain! Now this is an excellent explanation! Say, how do I get explanations as clear as this in the future?
With all seriousness, Thank you! Beverly

#6

I still don't understand what I am supposed to type... I am typing-

fifth_letter = "Y"

#7

It says, "don't forget to use the access operator [] to get the character "Y".

#8

@florencethecamel what they are looking for is understanding how to call out the letter Y from the string MONTY so for that look at the instruction So if you wanted "Y", you could just type "PYTHON"[1] so by that knowledge we can do the same for the word MONTY. by typing "MONTY"[4]

#9

but the variable monty not defines

#10

Type "MONTY"
fifth_letter="MONTY"[4]

#11