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Learn Recursion: Python

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This lesson mentions that stack overflow can occur when there is no base case in a recursive function or when the recursive step does not lead to the base case. I can imagine how stack overflow would occur in the latter case but not in the first one. Could anyone please provide me an example of how stack overflow would occur if there was no base case? The reason I ask is because even if there is no base case, wouldn’t the recursive step bring us closer to the base case and then raise an exception because the input can longer be made “smaller”(instead of a stack overflow exception?). For example, we could have a recursive function that deals with lists and has a recursive step which makes the list smaller and smaller but it has no base case. In this case, instead of raising a stack overflow exception, wouldn’t we get an out of index error. I’d appreciate any help clearing this up for me!

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Actually, in Python, you get `RecursionError: maximum recursion depth exceeded`

The “maximum recursion depth” is probably implementation dependent, but it seems to be 1000 in my Python 3.6 installation:

```
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>>> def fib_recur(n):
# base case
# if n == 0:
# return 1
# if n == 1:
# return 1
return fib_recur(n-1) + fib_recur(n-2)
>>> print(fib_recur(3))
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "<pyshell#2>", line 1, in <module>
print(fib_recur(3))
File "<pyshell#1>", line 7, in fib_recur
return fib_recur(n-1) + fib_recur(n-2)
File "<pyshell#1>", line 7, in fib_recur
return fib_recur(n-1) + fib_recur(n-2)
File "<pyshell#1>", line 7, in fib_recur
return fib_recur(n-1) + fib_recur(n-2)
[Previous line repeated 990 more times]
RecursionError: maximum recursion depth exceeded
>>>
```

… and, yes, whichever error you reach first wins!

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It’s probably me, but whilst I think I understand recursion (kind-a) these two paragraphs have me stumped:

1: What is a Big O runtime

2: O(N) is new to me? Did I miss a page out? I’m guessing it’s ‘big O’ again? Roy Orbison was a great guy but…

3: I can guess, but don’t think I have been told what a ‘linear runtime’ is either?

¿que?

" Analyzing the Big O runtime of a recursive function is very similar to analyzing an iterative function. Substitute iterations of a loop with recursive calls.

For example, if we loop through once for each element printing the value, we have a `O(N)`

or linear runtime. Similarly, if we have a single recursive call for each element in the original function call, we have a `O(N)`

or linear runtime."

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There’s a course called “asymptotic notation” – it’s in the pro Computer Science course which covers this immediately before recursion. I think the recursion course assumes you’ve covered asymptotic notation. If you’ve not got a pro account, you might be able to view the cheatsheet here - https://www.codecademy.com/learn/paths/computer-science/tracks/cspath-asymptotic-notation/modules/cspath-asymptotic-notation/cheatsheet

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actually this is annoying after recursion as the curriculum stands now… but this is actually answering another question I had posted elsewhere… good to know its called asymptotic notation I only encounter it in the wilds of Youtube as big O time with okayish explainers… Excited to finally get better insight into this.

Asymptotic notation is actually a broader term and big-O notation is a type of asymptotic notation. Big-O specifically describes the asymptotic upper bound of a function (in other words, the worst-case scenario). This resource might be helpful in understanding asymptotic notation.

I completed the Learn Recursion with Python course before the Computer Science Career Path, and I admit, some of the sections about big-O notation were a bit confusing. You can take a look at the cheatsheet for this unit which has a brief explanation of big-O and how it relates to recursion (definitely helpful when I took the course).

Both the Pass the Technical Interview with Python Skill Path and Computer Science Career Path have units on asymptotic notation. I’ve linked the cheatsheets for those units here. The units are nearly identical but the Pass the Technical Interview with Python Skill Path has an extra article on space complexity (the Learn Recursion with Python course deals with time complexity but space complexity is an important concept to understand as well).

Happy coding!

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Totally … I’m super excited to grab better insight into space complexity usage as well. I feel like the answers to most of the dynamic programming challenges are almost always O n 2 hahah … Did you enjoy the Python course. I finished another one but not on this platform. I’m going to tackle that as soon as I finish the technical javascript one. I’ve noticed a couple of sample problems my friends who are gainfully employed always ask it in the sample interview questions so its something I want to figure out hard.

Happy Coding and New Year to you too as well

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Which Python course are you referring to? I’ve completed several Python-related courses and paths here on CC and I enjoyed them.

Thanks for getting back to me what I meant was it was on another code learning platform!! But obvs eager to tackle Python on here !!!

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I haven’t taken Python “courses” on a platform other than CC, but I’ve definitely learnt a lot from websites and other resources. Maybe try asking on the forums/community of that other platform you are referring to.

Can help me with this question:

Can we rewrite any iterative function in a recursive way? Why or why not?

Explain for me.

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